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bamm bamm bamm · Nov 17, 2006, 03:42 PM // 15:42

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Originally Posted by XoNe

It has to be today the update, look at how long we are with no updates, it Friday and i know for anet comes out with a patch each week. Also the scribe says it will tells us more next week, that means it come out today, i hope as it was hinting at that.

Gaile stated last night an update was coming today and the elite mission will not be a part of it. 2-3 months time, so don't hold your breath.

Durik Lakmor · Nov 17, 2006, 04:03 PM // 16:03

to me it sounds like you need to find 2 of those 4 pieces that was discussed before, the map and the drink. Sounds like you need to trade the map to someone and drink from the jug.

The question of whether or not this means the elite will be in sooner than mentioned is still up in the air though.

*Darcy* · Nov 17, 2006, 04:06 PM // 16:06

The corsair spirit also mentioned that you had to be dead to enter the area.

kimahri · Nov 17, 2006, 04:17 PM // 16:17

Btw, from what I've heard the max title on Lightbringer is Holy Lightbringer at 100k points, don't know if it's possible to reach, and someone said that you can't have higher then rank 6 now, I've seen a rank 7 Revered Lightbringer.

LoKi Foxfire · Nov 17, 2006, 04:44 PM // 16:44

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Originally Posted by XoNe

Plus this elite mission is 100% done when it comes out, unlike the missions in factions who were at 30% done as in content and was missing like tons of stuff that was planned to be added in. This mission will not be as easy as the deep, that i can tell you now so you don't think this will be some stupid mission were people go in and get loot off the bat.

Uh, I don't remember the Elite mission being incomplete when my guild leader and some folks from Bkbd beat it for the first time ever? What part of the game was incomplete? I beat Factions during the Early Access Launch so I'm pretty sure it was all there.....

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Originally Posted by kimahri

Btw, from what I've heard the max title on Lightbringer is Holy Lightbringer at 100k points, don't know if it's possible to reach, and someone said that you can't have higher then rank 6 now, I've seen a rank 7 Revered Lightbringer.

Uh, the max is not 100k. The max is 50k. Go read the thread in the Elonian Exploration forum.

Carboplatin · Nov 17, 2006, 05:08 PM // 17:08

I don't see why everyone is so pissed off that there is going to be discrimination. Discrimination happens in real life and will happen in gw.

When you apply for a job you don't think they compare you to other candidates? Is that not discrimation?

Given you have two guys with near identical resumes, same kind of work experience, how will you decide which one to hire? It is only logical to pick someone who can benefit your group more. Given you have no knowledge of the player's actual experience, would u pick a rank 2 or a rank 7?

in anycase i am wondering what the new gems would be for perhaps another FOW-esq armor crafter and hopefully end of elite mission green for the caster classes!

edit for my horrible grammar.

XoNe · Nov 17, 2006, 05:43 PM // 17:43

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Originally Posted by bamm bamm bamm

Gaile stated last night an update was coming today and the elite mission will not be a part of it. 2-3 months time, so don't hold your breath.

Post the link to were gaile posted about the elite mission not in this update.

Riesz · Nov 17, 2006, 08:29 PM // 20:29

I'd be VERY unhappy if any title was required to enter the Elite mission. Lightbringer and Sunspear aren't account-based so you'd have to grind the title on every character you wanted to play the elite mission. Grind was needed for the elite missions in factions and people complained. I thought the PC Gamer (or a Gaile statement or something, I know I read it somewhere) said the NF Elite mission would be easier to access than the Factions ones.

IMO it makes much more sense to allow elite mission access after beating the game. Would give another incentive (besides the subpar greens) to bring characters through, and could be a use for the new statue.

Tozen · Nov 17, 2006, 08:40 PM // 20:40

Mostly speculation at this point. However, I own demons roughly just as fast on my mesmer with no lightbringer as I do with it, so I don't forsee it to be a huge problem. (Of course I could be wrong)

Even so, seeing as the elite mission is supposed to be the "end game" it would make sense for you to have to do some serious PvE work in order for you to be able to access it. This is actually what players have been requesting instead of the Faction-grind that was in the previous campaign.

tenryo · Nov 17, 2006, 10:36 PM // 22:36

Rank 7 Lightbringer wasn't too hard to get... don't really see myself farming the next rank unless ppl start discriminating against me though :P

On a point of carification here... I'm going to discriminate agains ppl below rank 4 simply because it's so easy to grind a thousand or so lighbringer points that anyone who can't be bothered to gind them... well lets just say I can't be bothered to group them.

Sofonisba · Nov 17, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

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Originally Posted by tenryo

I'm going to discriminate agains ppl below rank 4 simply because it's so easy to grind a thousand or so lighbringer points that anyone who can't be bothered to gind them... well lets just say I can't be bothered to group them.

Your prerogative, and I suppose reasonable when getting in a PUG.

(Did I need another reason to only group with guild/alliance?

They'll let me play no matter what rank. Even if it takes us 5 hours, so be it. At least I like my teammates and enjoy the ride.)

tenryo · Nov 17, 2006, 11:53 PM // 23:53

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Originally Posted by Riesz

I'd be VERY unhappy if any title was required to enter the Elite mission. Lightbringer and Sunspear aren't account-based so you'd have to grind the title on every character you wanted to play the elite mission. Grind was needed for the elite missions in factions and people complained. I thought the PC Gamer (or a Gaile statement or something, I know I read it somewhere) said the NF Elite mission would be easier to access than the Factions ones.

IMO it makes much more sense to allow elite mission access after beating the game. Would give another incentive (besides the subpar greens) to bring characters through, and could be a use for the new statue.

I think the point people are trying to make here is that even though the elite missions WILL be accessable just by getting to torment, no one will group you if you don't have a decent lightbringer rank... the reason being that lightbringer's gaze is quite uber for classes that don't normally have access to high dmg, low energy cost ae (like barrage or ele spells). Moreover, the dmg bonus stacks quite nicely by the time you reach ranks like 7... and that lightbringer signet that you were so dissapointed in at rank 3 gets quite useful when you consider that hitting it can give you a full charge of energy as well as fully charge all your adrenal skills (yes, quite nice when you can spam final thrust twice in a row).

Generally the situation will be the same as HoH. Sure, you CAN enter the mission as soon as you get there, but the problem is that people with high rank won't group people with low rank. The result is that low rankers can only get groups with other low rankers... typically... bad groups that don't make it past the first few stages. This is what we call "Barrier to Entry". Likewise, if Anet does make the elite mission a decent challenge with maybe swarms of high dmg mobs and torment-like zone effects that might demand a high lvl lightbringer signet to keep energy up, you might find that the low rank groups consistenty wipe while only the high rank groups are getting to the chests and getting greens at the end.

This puts people without rank with three options really. First off, they can form no rank req groups, the upside of which is that they don't have to spend time farming LB points and the downside, of course, that they'll be entering the mission with a pretty serious handicap and also have a higher chance of getting "noobed" by the various idiots out there in the PUG world. Secondly, they can group with guildies and alliance folks. Perhaps some of these folks will be higher rank and will erase some of the handicap, and since you know them, it's highly likely they won't be complete retards (otherwise you've only yourself to blame for joining them). Thirdly... you can... *gasp* put in a bit of time and effort and grind lightbringer. It's hardly as time consuming and frustrating as trying to grind rank 3 in HoH.

borik oakwood · Nov 19, 2006, 03:34 PM // 15:34

mabye its just a clever money sink

I.E. everyone is drunk in realm of torment for hours tonight trying to find some hint.

only elite players are there yetr in general so they got money to waste

Desires · Nov 19, 2006, 04:46 PM // 16:46

Monks have one of the bigest gains from LB ranks people seem to forget monks do well with elite e mangment.

Lets say LB5/6+ --->Mantra of inscriptions----->LB signet

Thats some insane e mangment.

Shanaeri Rynale · Nov 19, 2006, 09:29 PM // 21:29

At the end of the game you a told, by an NPC that another NPC wil take your home or wherever you want to go. On talking to that NPC it seems as though there should be a list, but only one option is available.

Judging by the missing town on the torment map, it would be logical that you need to complete the last mission again(like Shiro in Ch2) talk to the NPC, select the elite mission from the menu and map there.

Once you have the town you can then form a party of 12.

Diva Signet · Nov 19, 2006, 11:57 PM // 23:57

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Originally Posted by Desires

Monks have one of the bigest gains from LB ranks people seem to forget monks do well with elite e mangment.

Lets say LB5/6+ --->Mantra of inscriptions----->LB signet

Thats some insane e mangment.

Shhhhhhh!!!

Don't say something intelligent, it might ruin GW!

21 energy at r7 lightbringer every ~15 sec....with a .25 cast...requiring no energy to activate...not that monks would like that.

Not tomention the 9 strikes of adren you'd gain as a war or a paragon...

Derek Ravenclaw · Nov 20, 2006, 12:49 AM // 00:49

I'm just surprised that I haven't seen as big of a demand for +20% damage vs Demons equipment as I thought I would at least for LB farming, if not for the elite mission anticipation. I bought a 20% Damage vs Demons Axe Grip and Bow Grip last week for like 2k each.

MMSDome · Nov 20, 2006, 12:58 AM // 00:58

EDIT: I read some of the thread and i realize that the mission isnt opened yet :P

I hope it takes alot to access it, I mean I wouldnt mind a minimum req. to enter it be rank 4 or 5 lightbringer, because people that are higher rank deserve more privlages. I believe to access this mission you should have done something special to get there, perhaps Protector of Elona title or something?

Legendary Shiz · Nov 20, 2006, 02:00 AM // 02:00

I don't understand why people get frustrated by "elitests".

They've worked/grinded to obtain their high rank, why should they accept people who haven't put in as much effort as them? Sure, not everybody has 7 hours a day to devote to GW. But hey, if somebody does more power to them to be elitest. They earned it imo.

Zehnchu · Nov 20, 2006, 02:05 AM // 02:05

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Originally Posted by MMSDome

EDIT: I read some of the thread and i realize that the mission isnt opened yet :P

I hope it takes alot to access it, I mean I wouldnt mind a minimum req. to enter it be rank 4 or 5 lightbringer, because people that are higher rank deserve more privlages. I believe to access this mission you should have done something special to get there, perhaps Protector of Elona title or something?

I think they should add one more track to the lightbringer title where you need to get one million points just to enter the elite mission and leave the acquisition of gaining points as is from the agents at the rez shrines (2 points). Also make where you have to make your way to the npc that will let you into the elite mission none of this starting off in a town/outpost before you enter the elite mission bs. Also make the number of mobs no less then ten and all level thirty’s, you should have to work really hard to earn the right to enter the elite missions not just once but every time you want to go. Oh and they should make the final boss/bosses in the elite mission at least level sixty or higher.